"Trans women are perverts"; or, how to lie with statistics

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"Trans women are perverts"; or, how to lie with statistics

Postby lady_*nix » Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:31 pm

Here is an infographic I've seen making the rounds lately:

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Transphobes are sharing it as a justification for anti-trans legislation. And it looks real, doesn't it? Shocking, but if it's true then they have a point yeah?

Except its bullshit, and even if it weren't they don't have a point.

Item 1: the offense stats for men here are insanely low. Far far far lower than reality. For instance, only 1.6% of rape cases in England and Wales lead to a charge: https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... -and-wales
and likely more than 80% of rapes go unreported:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 61636.html

That meshes also with the evergreen study mentioned here:
https://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2 ... predators/
where in an anonymized survey of 1882 male college students, 6% admitted to rape and 4% admitted to being serial rapists. Even granted that male college students are probably more likely to offend than the bulk of men, that is a far higher rate than less than the 0.04% rate given by the infographic.

Item 2: even if the offense rate for "men identifying as women" is 100% true and accurate, it's still a less than 0.2% rate of offense. In what world is it okay to legislate against an entire minority population of 48,000 people (note: this number also seems too small but whatever) because only 99.8% of them are law-abiding people? That is some straight up Nazi shit. If someone said this about a racial minority ("Well 0.2% commit violent crimes so we should pass legislation against all of them"), people would call them a bigot, and rightly.

TL;DR don't be fooled when transphobes post stats like this. If they're not cherry-picking the data, they're lying about the implications.
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Re: "Trans women are perverts"; or, how to lie with statisti

Postby Sigma_Orionis » Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:03 pm

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Re: "Trans women are perverts"; or, how to lie with statisti

Postby code monkey » Thu Jun 29, 2023 4:00 am

lies, damned lies and statistics

or

it's all in the interpretation
and still i persist in wondering whether folly must always be our nemesis. edgar pangborn

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take him and cut him out in little stars
and he will make the face of heaven so fine
that all will be in love with night
and pay no worship to the garish sun. william shakespeare
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Re: "Trans women are perverts"; or, how to lie with statisti

Postby SciFiFisher » Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:20 am

A friend of mine gave me this quote. Figures don't lie, but liars can figure.
"To create more positive results in your life, replace 'if only' with 'next time'." — Author Unknown
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Re: "Trans women are perverts"; or, how to lie with statisti

Postby Thumper » Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:25 pm

SciFiFisher wrote:A friend of mine gave me this quote. Figures don't lie, but liars can figure.
Been using that one for years.
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Re: "Trans women are perverts"; or, how to lie with statisti

Postby lady_*nix » Wed Jul 26, 2023 3:28 pm

TBH I prefer "lies, damn lies, and statistics" because the figures can lie by omission even when there's no malice or hidden agenda.
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