gethen wrote:Heard a guy on NPR the other day who said that when people think god is on their side they will never negotiate. So I guess we shouldn't hold our breath waiting for ISIS to come to the negotiation table.
"But at the end of the day the only thing that'll stop ISIS is you have to kill them, and, it's a harsh word to use but it's the reality of it. You have to stop them with force."
Sigma_Orionis wrote:After watching the video Rommie just posted, I'm very much inclined to agree with the General.
SciFiFisher wrote:IOW the only way to change the equation in someplace like Iraq is to stay for about 50 years and make sure that every single male over the age of 5 when you invade is dead in the first 5 years. Then you make sure that ALL the children go to schools ran by and vetted by the invading government. After about 20 years you let them start trying some local elections and allow them to elect a few representatives to a parliament. After about 40 years you actually start letting the parliament make some real decisions. at year 50 you hold a national election and allow them to start governing themselves. Parallel to that you implement a national police and military force that works closely with your military and they work together for about 50 years. You send their best and brightest to your military schools and police training. by the time 50 years have gone by the military and police forces are all ran from the top to the bottom by natives who have been thoroughly indoctrinated in your way of doing business.
Unfortunately, no one really believes that it is what it really takes. And if they did they are too shocked that you have to be that ruthless and think that far ahead to make it work. But, we are not talking about regime change. We are talking about changing a culture. Which means you have to literally rewrite it's traditions and history if you want to really change radically and "quickly" instead of taking 400 years or so.
Gullible Jones wrote:... So, what exactly is the point of squashing the extremists if you have to become as unrelentingly nasty as them? Would you want to live in a country that deliberately murdered children en masse? What makes you think they might not pick your family next, for speaking out against the Fearless Leader or some such shit?
Adolf Hitler wrote:I would prefer not to see anyone suffer, not to do harm to anyone. But when I realise that the species is in danger, then in my case sentiment gives way to the coldest reason.
Rommie wrote:I will disagree with Fisher's statement because I think at the end of WW2 the same could have been said about Germany and Japan- they were just awful cultures that condoned murdering millions who disagreed with them. But then we are still in both those countries, so...
Rommie wrote:ISIS is pretty fucked up, but I don't think it's terribly surprising after the years of what's been going on in Syria that one of the most extreme of the bunch took over like that. Though I do wonder just how long they can keep it going at the current pace before running into the issues everyone runs into when having to govern over merely conquer.
Sigma_Orionis wrote:The last time you said that I said something along that the alternative was how Rome dealt with Carthage after the 3rd Punic War.......
Rommie wrote:I will disagree with Fisher's statement because I think at the end of WW2 the same could have been said about Germany and Japan- they were just awful cultures that condoned murdering millions who disagreed with them. But then we are still in both those countries, so...
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